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Old 12-11-2002, 09:05 PM
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Default Lock Picking

as Muad suggested, Lock picking might indeed be a good topic.
It's odd how I find myself fascinated by protections, and more specifically by breaking them. This doesn't just include software, I've also read some interesting guides about real life lock picking.
It's quite fun to understand these concepts, and be able to manipulate them.
I understand most of the basics, but I don't really feel like paying a lot of cash for a lock pick set (These things are VERY expensive).
Could anyone give some ideas on how I could create or buy my own tools (That are less expensive than a professional kit, and still *decent*)
Some beginning advice would also be nice.

Hey, nice to be on the student end of 'how do I break a protection' again

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Old 12-11-2002, 09:22 PM
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Ahh! Here is something I know. I don't know if they have street sweepers in dutchie land, but if they do, the metal bristles they drop are PERFECT for lockpicks. You just file them down into this shape:

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But you want a more shallow angle than that...maybe 45 degrees would be perfect. That will pick most any house or masterlock. If you need a torque wrench, just bend one of the bristles in a 90 degree angle and there you go. I think that phone cord wrapping (take the guts out) makes a GREAT handle for the picks...keeps you from cutting your hand when working on a stiff lock. Does this help? :)
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Old 12-11-2002, 10:25 PM
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Though, I knew about the bristles, dont think we have those here..
I check some bicycle spokes, but .. bleh.. Guess I just need an anvil..
How would I make, say, a bicycle spoke into that angle tho?
Hammer it or smth? I don't quite see how I'd transform a straight spoke like that into a pointy shaped lock pick..
Will this kind of tool also work for pin tumblers? Or will I need diff tools for that? Guess I should just start simple, and work my way up.

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Old 12-11-2002, 10:39 PM
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A bicycle spoke won't work, but one of those copper bands that holds a stack of bricks together works too. If you can't find any long, flat piece of metal, I can send you some if you have an address you don't mind giving to me to send it to :P
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Old 12-12-2002, 12:28 AM
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buying premade tools is like using a keygen, you learn more by making your own tools and your successes and failures you learn from them. there is pretty much no lock i cant open. nothing beats stiff sweeper bristles and spam can openers(for cheaper locks like slaymakers). ive even 'keygenned' the master combination padlock, a silver dial i can open in 10 secs, a black dial about 5 minutes. Anyway just thought id drop by to see how the site is doing.
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Old 12-12-2002, 01:17 AM
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buying premade tools is like using a keygen, you learn more by making your own tools and your successes and failures you learn from them.
I agree 100%. If you make your own picks you will discover what works best and get the feel for why it works the way it does.

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Anyway just thought id drop by to see how the site is doing. *:D
Well, welcome to the RET board! It's good to see you here, please come visit us frequently, old friend =)
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Old 12-13-2002, 07:34 AM
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Default just wanted to test that cool smiley ;-P

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Old 12-13-2002, 07:35 AM
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Default attachments ?

Can i attach files here? I have some ebooks about lockpicking that i would like to share :-)
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Old 12-13-2002, 10:04 AM
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Can i attach files here? I have some ebooks about lockpicking that i would like to share
Good question.. I'd think not actually, since if a lot of people would do that, Itd be a pretty big load on the server (both HD space as bandwidth)..
Do you have any other place to put it? If so, you could just drop a link in here :?
Either way, I'd love to see that book

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Old 12-15-2002, 12:57 PM
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Default Torque?

To have pressure on the lock while picking, I've so far used a small screwdriver (on of those with a led in it to detect power).. But a screwdriver means I can no longer directly use the pick in the lock, I have to bend it (I'm using a paperclip atm )
The paperclips seems strong enough but the bend in it is the weak point.
Basically:

It bends here
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When I lift the pick now by hold onto the vertical part, the 90 degree corner just bends outwards, if you know what I mean.
I think it'd be ok if it was straight, and an easy tool to make
However, that means I would need a different method of applying pressure.. That way I wouldnt need the bend.
Any suggestions on this? Im trying to do all this without spending money. I know, Im a cheap bastard, but hey Its worth trying.

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